2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby Life At Zen » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:12 pm

I wish Royal Mo was closer to an entry in the gate. Looks like he won't make it.
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby Treve » Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:16 pm

State of Honor also worked a half mile in :49.80 under exercise rider E.J. Bowler, with splits in :12 and :24 2/5 and a gallop out for five furlongs in 1:02.
Per Casse it was supposed to be an easy laid back move, since he ran just recently, and would do more next week.
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby Sparrow Castle » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:17 pm

Steve Byk‏ @Steve_Byk
Steve Byk Retweeted TwinSpires.com
Excellent Derby pecking order summary by @GallantFox1930..

Kentucky Derby bubble horses await Thunder Snow, Conquest Mo Money decisions
http://www.twinspires.com/blog/2017/4/16/kentucky-derby-bubble-horses-await-thunder-snow-conquest-mo-money-decisions
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby ElPrado2 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:06 pm

Hence was feeling his oats this morning.
5 f in 1:00.40. 1/16
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby stark » Mon Apr 17, 2017 2:37 pm

Trainer Chad Brown on Monday said he is “leaning towards passing” the Kentucky Derby with Cloud Computing, a decision that has implications regarding the potential field for the May 6 Derby at Churchill Downs.

http://www.drf.com/news/cloud-computing ... ucky-derby
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby peeptoad » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:51 pm

imho that's a wise move re: Cloud Computing. It would be asking a hell of a lot considering his lack of foundation and he's still eligible for far easier spots.
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby Treve » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:09 pm

Classic Empire: Per Norman Casse (via the courier-journal), "The horse came out of the race in really good order and had a pretty unremarkable trip here from Arkansas this morning. He seems very happy, and we're all very happy."
The colt will get a few days off before getting back to galloping later this week and is expected at this point in time, to have his final workout before the Kentucky Derby on April 28 or 29.
Casse added that he's confident the Arkansas Derby didn't take too much out of Classic Empire.
"Going back to the test barn and watching him cool out, he did not seem tired," Casse said. "I think we are going to bring over a fresh, healthy horse."

J Boys Echo: worked this morning at Churchill for the first time since the Blue Grass. He recorded a half-mile move in :49 1/5 for trainer Dale Romans. The 3-year-old Mineshaft colt, who won the March 4 Gotham Stakes (G3) at Aqueduct Racetrack, began his workout at the three-furlong pole under Tammy Fox and recorded splits of :12 1/5, :24 3/5 and :36 4/5.
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby Treve » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:47 pm

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sp ... 100544384/
Churchill Downs oddsmaker Mike Battaglia saw enough from Classic Empire in Saturday’s Arkansas Derby that he’s prepared to make him the favorite for the May 6 Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs.

“I was really impressed with the way Classic Empire was able to come back like he did in a 12-horse field and run such an awesome race,” Battaglia said. “I think he’ll be cranked up for the Derby. I think he will be the favorite.”
" I [still] think he has more talent than all of them. For his first race at a mile and an eighth, he did everything good horses do.”

Battaglia said Florida Derby winner Always Dreaming and Wood Memorial winner Irish War Cry could be co-second choices for the Kentucky Derby.
“Those two are close,” Battaglia said. “The rest of them, I don’t see it.”


The odds will depend on how they train, and how they're doing by May 3rd after the draw.
Since the points system was instated, the M-L favourite has won every renewal of the Kentucky Derby.
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby stark » Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:39 pm

I think it's about time that we have a morning line favorite listed at 5/1, if not higher!

16 Nyquist 3/1
15 American Pharoah 5/2
14 California Chrome 5/2
13 Orb 7/2 actual off odds 5.40-1
12 Bodemeister 4/1
11 Dialed In 4/1
10 Lookin at Lucky 3/1 actual off odds 6.30-1
09 I Want Revenge 3/1
08 Big Brown 3/1
07 Curlin 7/2
06 Brother Derek actual off odds 7.70-1
05 Bellamy Road 5/2
04 The Cliffs Edge 4/1 actual off odds 8.20-1
03 Empire Maker 6/5
02 Harlen Holiday 9/2
01 Point Given 9/5
00 Fusiachi Pegasus 9/5

Can you really say that you could bet with confidence anybody under 5/1 this year?
Value will eventually make somebody look attractive imho.
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Re: 2017 Kentucky Derby News & Notes

Postby Treve » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:37 pm

McCraken: showed composure before and during his half-mile drill in :47 4/5. After clocking splits of :12 3/5, :24 3/5, and :36 2/5, McCraken galloped out big in 1:00 and 1:13 2/5 while staying glued to the rail.
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