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Squeaky
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:27 pm

Thanks Mariasmon!
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Squeaky
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Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:10 pm

If anyone has a video or photo of him in his paddock would love to see it! Thanks
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Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:17 am

Squeaky wrote:If anyone has a video or photo of him in his paddock would love to see it! Thanks
https://twitter.com/Arrogatethegr8/stat ... 6007516160
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Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:02 pm

Jon White‏ @PostTimeJon
Now that Arrogate's racing career is over, I have decided where to put him on my updated list of the Top 100 Racehorses of the 20th and 21st Centuries to have raced in North America:

My Updated Top 100 Racehorses of All Time
...By putting Arrogate at No. 22, it does accord him the respect that I think he deserves in relation to the horses on the list to have raced since Spectacular Bid. Yes, American Pharoah, also trained by Baffert, is one of the horses on the list to have raced since Spectacular Bid. I do not think Arrogate should be ranked higher than American Pharoah. In addition to becoming the first Triple Crown winner in an excruciatingly long 37 years, American Pharoah concluded his racing career with an emphatic 6 1/2-length victory in the BC Classic of 2015. But I do rank Arrogate higher than all others to have raced since Spectacular Bid...
More: https://www.xpressbet.com/component/con ... ed-top-100
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Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:17 pm

"I wont retire until that baby runs!!!" - Mike Smith on the future mating of Arrogate and Songbird
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:44 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/sport/ar ... index.html

thoughts? not sure i can agree with it (unpopular opinion, sorry)
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:49 pm

sweettalk wrote:https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/23/sport/ar ... index.html

thoughts? not sure i can agree with it (unpopular opinion, sorry)
If I'm not mistaken Longines uses a similar system to Timeform: ie the horse's ranking is based on their single best performance rather than their overall record. I do not know exactly how they rate the individual performances though.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:32 pm

oh... that's a really, uhm, awkward? system.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:58 pm

Why 'awkward?' It's different, sure, but it may be simpler.
Basing the award on a horse's single most outstanding performance through the year escapes the problem of weighing resumes that may seem similar. One doesn't have to decide whether a 2 G1, 1 G3 record is better than a 1 G1, 2 G2, 1 G3 record. Or whether a G1 at Ascot outweighs a G1 at Meydan or Longchamp or Santa Anita.
Arrogate's victory in the World Cup was pretty amazing, and we should feel flattered that the mainly (I think) European panel picked it over Cracksman's Champion Stakes, Enable's Arc or Winx's Cox Plate.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:33 pm

On a related note, one writers vote for the NTRA moment of the year.
http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Ante-Po ... o-contest/
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 9:49 pm

I dunno, the more I think about it the more I think it makes sense to rank individual performances. Ranking horses against each other gets nebulous fast- how do you measure an Australian turf sprinter vs. an American dirt router?- but rating performances on their own merits takes away a lot of the variability. Arrogate's place among the greats will be debated forever, but three of his performances including the DWC could fit pretty comfortably among the top 10-20 dirt performances all-time, so the award makes perfect sense to me.

Actually, I wonder if a "best performances" thread would be fun to start on here once things pick up in the spring. Would it be less contentious than a "best horses" thread?
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Tue Jan 23, 2018 11:20 pm

On a related note, one writers vote for the NTRA moment of the year.
http://www.horseraceinsider.com/Ante-Po ... o-contest/

He lost me when he misspelled wreaked (to inflict) as reeked (to smell bad). :roll:
If you're going to write professionally, get a dictionary and don't be afraid to use it. :P
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:02 am

BaroqueAgain1 wrote:Why 'awkward?' It's different, sure, but it may be simpler.
Basing the award on a horse's single most outstanding performance through the year escapes the problem of weighing resumes that may seem similar. One doesn't have to decide whether a 2 G1, 1 G3 record is better than a 1 G1, 2 G2, 1 G3 record. Or whether a G1 at Ascot outweighs a G1 at Meydan or Longchamp or Santa Anita.
Arrogate's victory in the World Cup was pretty amazing, and we should feel flattered that the mainly (I think) European panel picked it over Cracksman's Champion Stakes, Enable's Arc or Winx's Cox Plate.
like, best horse being based on one performance just feels weird? not sure how to elaborate/explain. like, maybe it just feels misnamed? sorry, making words go is hard =\

also, major lol at that word mixup. GJ.
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:04 am

A stopped watch is right twice a day.
BaroqueAgain1
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:37 am

You're right...for racing fans who are used to looking a year's worth of performances to rate a horse's excellence, it will be weird.
I may have said that the Longine style was simpler, but that doesn't mean it's better. ;)
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Wed Jan 24, 2018 10:33 am

It basically gives an overview of what a horse is capable of doing on it's best day. Overall they usually get it somewhat right (same with timeform ratings) and give a rough good comparison. It's not at all accomplishment based. I think it's a somewhat fair way to compare apples and oranges (turf and dirt).
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