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Re: Arrogate

Postby Kurenai » Mon Oct 09, 2017 8:29 am

Timeform has him even higher up the list (then again they calculate how the horse performs on it's best day). https://www.timeform.com/horse-racing/f ... gs-2932017

I do believe that the rankings are pretty much reasonable (well as much as you can compare turf/dirt runners anyway). If you pair those 2 up and both in top form, I'd rank Arrogate higher. Overall accomplishments Winx of course has done more.
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Point Given » Tue Oct 10, 2017 4:39 pm

Arrogate (4-Year-Old Colt)
Date: October 10, 2017
Track: SANTA ANITA PARK
Distance: Five Furlongs
Time: 1.00:20 Handily
Track Condition: Fast
Surface: Dirt
Rank: 1/40

http://www.xbtv.com/video/workout/arrogate-worked-5-furlongs-in-100-20-at-santa-anita-park-on-october-10th-2017/
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Sparrow Castle » Tue Oct 10, 2017 5:41 pm

Claire Novak-Crosby‏ @BH_CNovak
Arrogate will retire to @JuddmonteFarms in Lexington after his @BreedersCup Classic run, per release. Story soon @bloodhorse.
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Treve » Tue Oct 10, 2017 6:18 pm

Sparrow Castle wrote:Claire Novak-Crosby‏ @BH_CNovak
Arrogate will retire to @JuddmonteFarms in Lexington after his @BreedersCup Classic run, per release. Story soon @bloodhorse.


I mean, that has always been the plan hasn't it?
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Starine » Tue Oct 10, 2017 7:23 pm

Treve wrote:
Sparrow Castle wrote:Claire Novak-Crosby‏ @BH_CNovak
Arrogate will retire to @JuddmonteFarms in Lexington after his @BreedersCup Classic run, per release. Story soon @bloodhorse.


I mean, that has always been the plan hasn't it?


That was my reaction too.

The Bloodhorse article reads: "That's the greatest horse I've ever seen run," Baffert said of Arrogate.

But I still think American Pharoah was better. Oh well; Baffert would be the one to know.
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Northport » Tue Oct 10, 2017 9:23 pm

I'm sure it's always been the plan, but it probably doesn't hurt to state it a few weeks before the race, in case things don't... go to plan in the Classic.


With Enable and Arrogate, what are the odds of Juddmonte finishing in the black in 2017? :lol:
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Sparrow Castle » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:18 pm

I could be wrong because I don't remember the wording of the previous announcement. I think the point of this one is that Arrogate is going to stand at Juddmonte KY rather than elsewhere with Juddmont retaining interest, such as at Lanes End (Noble Mission) or Hill ‘n’ Dale (Flintshire). Currently I think they stand only Mizzen Mast. Yep, looked it up:
https://www.juddmonte.com/#us
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Treve » Tue Oct 10, 2017 11:36 pm

Starine wrote:
Treve wrote:
Sparrow Castle wrote:Claire Novak-Crosby‏ @BH_CNovak
Arrogate will retire to @JuddmonteFarms in Lexington after his @BreedersCup Classic run, per release. Story soon @bloodhorse.


I mean, that has always been the plan hasn't it?


That was my reaction too.

The Bloodhorse article reads: "That's the greatest horse I've ever seen run," Baffert said of Arrogate.

But I still think American Pharoah was better. Oh well; Baffert would be the one to know.


I agree with you. Arrogate was an impressive horse to watch run at his best. He was stupefying and subjugating and one runs out of superlatives in describing his peformance. But Pharoah was poetry in motion in all but the Travers, and I sincerely think he could've matured into an even better horse. Not to mention the whole, winning the Triple Crown thing.
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Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

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Re: Arrogate

Postby Kurenai » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:53 am

Starine wrote:That was my reaction too.

The Bloodhorse article reads: "That's the greatest horse I've ever seen run," Baffert said of Arrogate.

But I still think American Pharoah was better. Oh well; Baffert would be the one to know.


Personally, I think of Arrogate as a Ghostzapper type of horse.
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Re: Arrogate

Postby Somnambulist » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:08 am

Accomplishments and raw talent are not the same thing.
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