Songbird

carole
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:52 pm

Slightly reminds me of Rachel Alexandra's retirement though of course a different situation. Good luck for the future though, I hope her legacy carries on as a broodmare!
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:23 pm

Very glad that Rick Porter pushed for a thorough exam. I'll sure miss seeing her on the track but am so glad this condition was caught.
Songbird looked lovely and powerful in the Saratoga paddock this past Saturday.
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:31 pm

So sad I couldn't get to Saratoga this year to see the beautiful Songbird run one last time.
I shall treasure the memory of seeing her romp home in the the Cotillion last fall at Parx.
So much appreciation and respect to Rick Porter, Victoria and all at Fox Hill Farm for their classy management of this incomparable mare.
Songbird - the epitome of a racehorse.
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:39 pm

Somnambulist wrote:Meh news, but understandable.

V, I really think you guys set the bar for how ownership interacts with the fanbase. It's always just enough info and always well put.

That ^^^^^^^ Thank you V, and the entire Team Songbird, for all the wonderful thrills of Songbird's victories, and for doing the right thing by Songbird by retiring her at this time. Thank you all also for sharing the details of her assessment and Dr. Bramlage's report and recommendations.
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:28 pm

Thanks everyone. I'll pass on the notes to Rick. He really does love hearing what fans think.

At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!

As disappointing as it is, when you've experienced what we did with Eight Belles, which was surreal it was so horrific, all these other disappointments you end up taking as just a two-fingered slap on the arm instead of a punch to the gut. All's well that ends well, and she got her good racing ending. Like everyone else, we'll be anticipating who will be buying her for their broodmare band, and hoping that she stays right here in Lex where we an visit her often.
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:34 pm

I know Fox Hill doesn't have a breeding side but, looking at the great horses that Mr. Porter has had over the years, he could have had mares like Havre de Grace and Songbird in the broodmare band, and Hard Spun as The Man in the stallion barn. Not bad. ;) :)
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:03 pm

Sad that we won't get to see Songbird continue to race, but so grateful for the races we've had and that such good care & management of her caught this before something could happen.

Best wishes to Mr. Porter, with hopes that he can enjoy another top-level horse soon. And will be eagerly following Songbird's broodmare career! :mrgreen:
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:34 pm

is Hollendorfer still mad at Mr. Porter for having her checked out?
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Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:42 pm

Although I'm sorry this great filly was injured, I am so grateful that Mr. Porter had the right insight to have her examined. Those injuries sound like they could have resulted in a catastrophic breakdown if Songbird had continued to be trained and raced. I will always wish both Mr. Porter and the beautiful Songbird well. If she goes in the Nov. sale, it will be loaded with terrific race fillies and mares.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:32 am

I feel like this year's sale will be loaded with great race mares, even more than usual. We have main track superstars like Songbird and Stellar Wind going under the gavel, as well as grass greats like Lady Eli and Tepin. And I think those are just some highlights.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:01 am

I'm incredibly grateful to the team at Foxhill for having shared this fantastic ride with us fans.
I will absolutely treasure that memory of witnessing her Alabama in person. She'll always be special to me - being the one who brought me back to the track in my adult life. :)
The fact she kept performing the way she did in spite of those injuries shows what her performance in the Distaff last year had already told everyone - how much heart she has.
It's sad she couldn't retire after a win, but there are no words to describe how overjoyed I am by the care and attention given to her which allowed to catch this before she seriously hurt herself or worse. If only every horse was looked over as thoroughly as this, one can't help but wonder if certain losses which have happened could've been avoided.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


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Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:53 am

I'm sorry we won't get to see her beautiful face racing anymore but so thankful that she was vetted thoroughly and the problems were found.

Hoping hoping hoping to see her join FHF alum Havre de Grace. I don't know that her dirt pedigree will attract European interest the way Lady Eli and Tepin will, but I'm sure Yoshida is counting his pennies already. But mostly, I'm glad we never had to see her break down on the racetrack.
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Admin wrote: At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!
I might be asking for too much information - is this common wear and tear on top horses or even bottom rung? Is there a physical aspect of some horses that make them prone to this?
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:28 pm

She was fun to watch, best of luck to her and Mr. Porter.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:54 pm

Another note to say thank you for Songbird. It was easy to root for Songbird, not just because I love Eva Cassidy, but because this horse had such heart and such talent; it was a joy and a privilege to watch her race. I am sorry her career has come to an abrupt end, but I will always be grateful to Mr. Porter for listening to his instincts that told him something was not quite right. And kudos to Fox Hill Farm and Dr. Larry Bramlage and his staff for being open and transparent with the public: we need more of this.
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bare it all wrote:
Admin wrote: At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!
I might be asking for too much information - is this common wear and tear on top horses or even bottom rung? Is there a physical aspect of some horses that make them prone to this?
It's not too much information.

I'd say that bone bruising isn't uncommon, and that's how all this started. It became more unusual, I think, when she had a specific area in the bone that wasn't healing in a timeframe normally expected. That it came back, I guess neither he nor us were too surprised that if she had a bone issue again, it was at this specific area.

What I do think was probably highly unusual, and maybe just bad luck, was where this injured bone is located, and the shape of it. It was chipping off into a wedge shape, with the point directed upwards from the bottom of her cannon bone at the ankle. It was 75% separated from the bone. As Dr. Bramlage described it, had it broken away while she was traveling at speed, then it'd drive up into the cannon bone like a wood splitter, resulting in a catastrophic break of the cannon and likely total dislocation from the ankle.

As for physical aspect making a horse prone... I wouldn't have thought Songbird would be prone to this? I know of no conformational issue to blame, nor would I think her breeding would make her weak boned like I might've thought of an UBS/Unbridled pedigree.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:46 pm

Admin wrote:
bare it all wrote:
Admin wrote: At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!
I might be asking for too much information - is this common wear and tear on top horses or even bottom rung? Is there a physical aspect of some horses that make them prone to this?
It's not too much information.

I'd say that bone bruising isn't uncommon, and that's how all this started. It became more unusual, I think, when she had a specific area in the bone that wasn't healing in a timeframe normally expected. That it came back, I guess neither he nor us were too surprised that if she had a bone issue again, it was at this specific area.

What I do think was probably highly unusual, and maybe just bad luck, was where this injured bone is located, and the shape of it. It was chipping off into a wedge shape, with the point directed upwards from the bottom of her cannon bone at the ankle. It was 75% separated from the bone. As Dr. Bramlage described it, had it broken away while she was traveling at speed, then it'd drive up into the cannon bone like a wood splitter, resulting in a catastrophic break of the cannon and likely total dislocation from the ankle.

As for physical aspect making a horse prone... I wouldn't have thought Songbird would be prone to this? I know of no conformational issue to blame, nor would I think her breeding would make her weak boned like I might've thought of an UBS/Unbridled pedigree.
Will Songbird need surgery to stabilize or remove the separating chip? Is she safe to be in a paddock or is stall rest needed? Thank you.
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:57 am

I don't think they can do anything to stabilize, but don't think they need to if she's not in race training. Dr. BRAMLAGE said she's just fine to immediately go to paddock (normal letdown excepted).
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:16 pm

Who would you all like to see her visit in the shed?
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:46 am

So, so sad to see her retire, but also so glad this was caught when it was. To know that she is safe is beyond measure.

Looking forward to the November fireworks!
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they sit down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey boy sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil? Well, I should say!
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