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Fri Sep 01, 2017 10:01 am

I'm incredibly grateful to the team at Foxhill for having shared this fantastic ride with us fans.
I will absolutely treasure that memory of witnessing her Alabama in person. She'll always be special to me - being the one who brought me back to the track in my adult life. :)
The fact she kept performing the way she did in spite of those injuries shows what her performance in the Distaff last year had already told everyone - how much heart she has.
It's sad she couldn't retire after a win, but there are no words to describe how overjoyed I am by the care and attention given to her which allowed to catch this before she seriously hurt herself or worse. If only every horse was looked over as thoroughly as this, one can't help but wonder if certain losses which have happened could've been avoided.
A filly named Ruffian...

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Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:53 am

I'm sorry we won't get to see her beautiful face racing anymore but so thankful that she was vetted thoroughly and the problems were found.

Hoping hoping hoping to see her join FHF alum Havre de Grace. I don't know that her dirt pedigree will attract European interest the way Lady Eli and Tepin will, but I'm sure Yoshida is counting his pennies already. But mostly, I'm glad we never had to see her break down on the racetrack.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:10 pm

Admin wrote: At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!
I might be asking for too much information - is this common wear and tear on top horses or even bottom rung? Is there a physical aspect of some horses that make them prone to this?
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 1:28 pm

She was fun to watch, best of luck to her and Mr. Porter.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 2:54 pm

Another note to say thank you for Songbird. It was easy to root for Songbird, not just because I love Eva Cassidy, but because this horse had such heart and such talent; it was a joy and a privilege to watch her race. I am sorry her career has come to an abrupt end, but I will always be grateful to Mr. Porter for listening to his instincts that told him something was not quite right. And kudos to Fox Hill Farm and Dr. Larry Bramlage and his staff for being open and transparent with the public: we need more of this.
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bare it all wrote:
Admin wrote: At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!
I might be asking for too much information - is this common wear and tear on top horses or even bottom rung? Is there a physical aspect of some horses that make them prone to this?
It's not too much information.

I'd say that bone bruising isn't uncommon, and that's how all this started. It became more unusual, I think, when she had a specific area in the bone that wasn't healing in a timeframe normally expected. That it came back, I guess neither he nor us were too surprised that if she had a bone issue again, it was at this specific area.

What I do think was probably highly unusual, and maybe just bad luck, was where this injured bone is located, and the shape of it. It was chipping off into a wedge shape, with the point directed upwards from the bottom of her cannon bone at the ankle. It was 75% separated from the bone. As Dr. Bramlage described it, had it broken away while she was traveling at speed, then it'd drive up into the cannon bone like a wood splitter, resulting in a catastrophic break of the cannon and likely total dislocation from the ankle.

As for physical aspect making a horse prone... I wouldn't have thought Songbird would be prone to this? I know of no conformational issue to blame, nor would I think her breeding would make her weak boned like I might've thought of an UBS/Unbridled pedigree.
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Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:46 pm

Admin wrote:
bare it all wrote:
Admin wrote: At first, it was thought that we may not even have to miss her prep for the BC if it was only the suspensories. Usually you inject and give some shockwave treatments while you continue on. But as soon as he came back with the image of the bone, we were bracing ourselves for her being out the rest of the year. Then it got worse from there!
I might be asking for too much information - is this common wear and tear on top horses or even bottom rung? Is there a physical aspect of some horses that make them prone to this?
It's not too much information.

I'd say that bone bruising isn't uncommon, and that's how all this started. It became more unusual, I think, when she had a specific area in the bone that wasn't healing in a timeframe normally expected. That it came back, I guess neither he nor us were too surprised that if she had a bone issue again, it was at this specific area.

What I do think was probably highly unusual, and maybe just bad luck, was where this injured bone is located, and the shape of it. It was chipping off into a wedge shape, with the point directed upwards from the bottom of her cannon bone at the ankle. It was 75% separated from the bone. As Dr. Bramlage described it, had it broken away while she was traveling at speed, then it'd drive up into the cannon bone like a wood splitter, resulting in a catastrophic break of the cannon and likely total dislocation from the ankle.

As for physical aspect making a horse prone... I wouldn't have thought Songbird would be prone to this? I know of no conformational issue to blame, nor would I think her breeding would make her weak boned like I might've thought of an UBS/Unbridled pedigree.
Will Songbird need surgery to stabilize or remove the separating chip? Is she safe to be in a paddock or is stall rest needed? Thank you.
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:57 am

I don't think they can do anything to stabilize, but don't think they need to if she's not in race training. Dr. BRAMLAGE said she's just fine to immediately go to paddock (normal letdown excepted).
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:16 pm

Who would you all like to see her visit in the shed?
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:46 am

So, so sad to see her retire, but also so glad this was caught when it was. To know that she is safe is beyond measure.

Looking forward to the November fireworks!
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no, but a race where they sit down right on the horse!
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 2:37 pm

Starine wrote:Who would you all like to see her visit in the shed?
I really wanna hear what V thinks on this.

She gets an A++ with Tapit on Truenicks fwiw :lol:
Gets a B with Uncle Mo (though that might be a rather large foal?)
For curiosity's sake I do find it interesting that with American Pharoah the foal would have no inbreeding in the first 5 generations of the pedigree. (C+ rating). With Pioneerof the Nile and Bodemeister she gets a C+ and the foal would have inbreeding in the 5th generation to Mr. P and Northern Dancer.

I thought of Bernardini given Rachel's Valentina was promising before she tailed off so Bernardini over MdO could be interesting, and that gets an A++ rating on truenicks.
A filly named Ruffian...

Eine Stute namens Danedream...

Une pouliche se nommant Trêve...

Kincsem nevű kanca...


And a Queen named Beholder
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:33 pm

The king is Tapit, so I would choose him in all likelihood if we were keeping her. I'd study it far more than I am now, which is just tossing out Tapit. ;-)

It was interesting to see her stats once she got to the farm. I think many thought she's bigger than she is, which is 16 hands and 1088 pounds. I think Grace mayve been a shade taller.
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Admin wrote:The king is Tapit, so I would choose him in all likelihood if we were keeping her. I'd study it far more than I am now, which is just tossing out Tapit. ;-)

It was interesting to see her stats once she got to the farm. I think many thought she's bigger than she is, which is 16 hands and 1088 pounds. I think Grace mayve been a shade taller.
No chance you get her for $1 huh? ;)
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Somnambulist wrote:
Admin wrote:The king is Tapit, so I would choose him in all likelihood if we were keeping her. I'd study it far more than I am now, which is just tossing out Tapit. ;-)

It was interesting to see her stats once she got to the farm. I think many thought she's bigger than she is, which is 16 hands and 1088 pounds. I think Grace mayve been a shade taller.
No chance you get her for $1 huh? ;)
Probably not. ;-)
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Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:01 pm

This may be one of the last posts in this thread before news about Songbird moves to the Breeding section, but I loved the news that Mr. Porter bought 14 yearlings in the past two months. :D
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -yearlings
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Porter, who buys under his Fox Hill Farm banner, did his best impersonation of Noah preparing for a heavy rain. At Keeneland, he bought two yearlings by Orb, two by Pioneerof the Nile, two by Giant's Causeway, and two by Ghostzapper. In addition, he purchased a Verrazano filly and a Medaglia d'Oro filly, perhaps with the last named hoping to replace a Medaglia d'Oro filly he recently retired, champion Songbird, who will sell in Fasig-Tipton’s November breeding stock sale.
"I'm finished for the year," Porter said of buying yearlings. "My budget has been reached, and we were able to fill it by the end of the Book 2; it just worked out that way, and we averaged around $300,000, which is our target."
One high-risk, high-reward yearling purchased by Porter was a $625,000 RNA from the Eaton Sales consignment. He is a War Front colt who is a half-sister to champion Take Charge Brandi and a granddaughter of grade 1 winner Take Charge Lady, the dam of champion Will Take Charge and grade 1 winner Take Charge Indy .
"The last RNA I bought from (Eaton Sales') Reiley McDonald was Hard Spun," Porter said, referencing his grade 1-winning earner of more than $2.6 million. "(Trainer) Larry (Jones) thought this War Front colt was the best physical in the sale, but he didn't vet, which was probably why he was an RNA. So we sent the images to (Dr.) Larry Bramlage and he said the issue would heal up, so I made Reiley an offer and we bought him. The pedigree is unbelievable, but the vet issue knocked the big players out. We'll find out how smart I am. Or not."


I think there is a typo in that note about the War Front colt; I'm pretty sure it should read, "...a War Front colt who is out of a half-sister to champion Take Charge Brandi and a granddaughter of grade 1 winner Take Charge Lady..." :shock: :P
I also noticed that Jerry Hollendorfer was not named among the various trainers to whom Rick is sending yearlings. :?
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BaroqueAgain1 wrote:This may be one of the last posts in this thread before news about Songbird moves to the Breeding section, but I loved the news that Mr. Porter bought 14 yearlings in the past two months. :D
https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -yearlings
From the article:
Porter, who buys under his Fox Hill Farm banner, did his best impersonation of Noah preparing for a heavy rain. At Keeneland, he bought two yearlings by Orb, two by Pioneerof the Nile, two by Giant's Causeway, and two by Ghostzapper. In addition, he purchased a Verrazano filly and a Medaglia d'Oro filly, perhaps with the last named hoping to replace a Medaglia d'Oro filly he recently retired, champion Songbird, who will sell in Fasig-Tipton’s November breeding stock sale.
"I'm finished for the year," Porter said of buying yearlings. "My budget has been reached, and we were able to fill it by the end of the Book 2; it just worked out that way, and we averaged around $300,000, which is our target."
One high-risk, high-reward yearling purchased by Porter was a $625,000 RNA from the Eaton Sales consignment. He is a War Front colt who is a half-sister to champion Take Charge Brandi and a granddaughter of grade 1 winner Take Charge Lady, the dam of champion Will Take Charge and grade 1 winner Take Charge Indy .
"The last RNA I bought from (Eaton Sales') Reiley McDonald was Hard Spun," Porter said, referencing his grade 1-winning earner of more than $2.6 million. "(Trainer) Larry (Jones) thought this War Front colt was the best physical in the sale, but he didn't vet, which was probably why he was an RNA. So we sent the images to (Dr.) Larry Bramlage and he said the issue would heal up, so I made Reiley an offer and we bought him. The pedigree is unbelievable, but the vet issue knocked the big players out. We'll find out how smart I am. Or not."


I think there is a typo in that note about the War Front colt; I'm pretty sure it should read, "...a War Front colt who is out of a half-sister to champion Take Charge Brandi and a granddaughter of grade 1 winner Take Charge Lady..." :shock: :P
I also noticed that Jerry Hollendorfer was not named among the various trainers to whom Rick is sending yearlings. :?
NOT surprised
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:29 am

Given Porter’s comments, where he more or less insinuated that Hollendorfer ran an injured horse in the Personal Ensign, its no surprise if their business relationship is over.
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blamethewinner wrote:Given Porter’s comments, where he more or less insinuated that Hollendorfer ran an injured horse in the Personal Ensign, its no surprise if their business relationship is over.

Songbird is very very special to Mr Porter---she helped him through a difficult time--and Mr Hollendorfer thought she was in great health after that race--and did not think she needed to be seen at Rood and Riddle---we know what the outcome was of that evaluation so my guess is that Mr Porter may feel he can no longer trust JH with his horses
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:03 pm

V- will SongBird's injury affect her ability to carry a foal given the extra weight she would be carrying?
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Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:45 pm

Given that he's going to make at least a few cool mil selling Songbird, I'm sure that $625 RNA won't hurt the pocket book that much. Glad to see him back in full swing!
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