Vegas Handicapping Contests

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stark
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:39 am

Anybody here do these kinda things?

Fall Classic Handicapping Championship
Format: Win Only 12 wagers per day
Registration: Wednesday, October 9, 2013 - 9:00am-5:00pm
Contest: October 10-12, 2013

Mardi Gras Ballroom will be open for betting from 9:00am-5:00pm.

Over $225,000* in Prize Money

Your $500 Entry Fee Includes:
• Three days of tournament action
• Special deluxe tower room rate $40, Monday-Thursday and $80, Friday and Saturday, October 9-13
• One set of racing forms for each day, October 10-12
• Daily buffet lunch (Thursday, Friday and Saturday)
• Additional complimentaries based on daily race play

Contest Tracks
Thursday, October 10: Belmont, Hawthorne, Keeneland, Laurel, Santa Anita
Friday, October 11: Belmont, Hawthorne, Keeneland, Laurel, Santa Anita, Calder, Woodbine
Saturday, October 12: Belmont, Hawthorne, Keeneland, Laurel, Santa Anita, Calder, Woodbine
http://www.orleanscasino.com/play/race- ... ournaments
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
Little Watermelon
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:14 pm

You're asking in this forum? :lol:

Never played in a Vegas contest, Suffolk used to have them from time to time, my wife and I would play. She did well in a couple, I never hit the top 10.
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ElPrado2
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:16 pm

I could very likely be delivered by truck if someone puts up the entry fee. However, sharing the sleeping cab with the driver may be iffy.
Rick1323
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:23 pm

I have done a few in Vegas over the years. Only cashed once. I haven't done one in a while, most of the formats favor one big bomb winning the whole thing. It can be very annoying to watch one 30-1 horse skew then entire contest. I never did get the hang of handicapping for that one or two big bombs.....
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:04 pm

Rick1323 wrote:I have done a few in Vegas over the years. Only cashed once. I haven't done one in a while, most of the formats favor one big bomb winning the whole thing. It can be very annoying to watch one 30-1 horse skew then entire contest. I never did get the hang of handicapping for that one or two big bombs.....
The math is pretty much the same year after year in this format, no mandatory races, win wagers only, your choice of major racetracks, mythical bankroll.

Start with $3,600, that's twelve $100 wagers per day, increase your bankroll to about $10,000 by the end of 3 days, and you'll be cashing a nice check for real money. How you get there, be it a $30 bomb or a bunch of $9 winners is up to you.

Other tournament formats have come and gone over the years but the Orleans still does a good job of packing them in the big ballroom, quite the atmosphere for a 3-day vacation, wall to wall monitors, handicappers, cashiers lines, free food and drink, what's not to like, I recommend it highly.

Think about other ways to spend $500 on vacation......what does one really do with pictures of Mt. Rushmore or the Grand Canyon, how long do the scents of smelley olde churches last or how sunburned can you get laying on the beach?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
Little Watermelon
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:06 pm

Not to sidetrack the thread but some of those Suffolk contests were interesting. A friday night they played night tracks, Sam Houston, Mountaineer, etc. Larry Collmus was there to help run it . Some 1st time bomber won at one of thse tracks and a whole table had him. Another 1st timer won when Suffolk was one of the tracks, paid almost $100, and someone had him. An elderly man in his late 80's won one tournament and went to Vegas. They were fun and you usually met a few people at your table who were interesting to talk to.
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:43 pm

Little Watermelon wrote:They were fun and you usually met a few people at your table who were interesting to talk to.
Agree 1,000%.

Year after year the same faces show up at the Orleans, I'm terrible with names but I remember the Army guy from Maryland and the pharmacy sales lady and the Hawthorne expert as well as the beach bum from SoCal, the guy in the wheelchair that needs a runner and the high roller from Laurel that sits near the $500 window. It's great fun to meet up once or twice a year, share a few bad beat stories and explain how we're gonna get 'em next time!

Without a doubt the easist-hardest way to spend a few days where anybody can succeed.
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
Rick1323
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:10 pm

stark wrote:
Rick1323 wrote:I have done a few in Vegas over the years. Only cashed once. I haven't done one in a while, most of the formats favor one big bomb winning the whole thing. It can be very annoying to watch one 30-1 horse skew then entire contest. I never did get the hang of handicapping for that one or two big bombs.....
The math is pretty much the same year after year in this format, no mandatory races, win wagers only, your choice of major racetracks, mythical bankroll.

Start with $3,600, that's twelve $100 wagers per day, increase your bankroll to about $10,000 by the end of 3 days, and you'll be cashing a nice check for real money. How you get there, be it a $30 bomb or a bunch of $9 winners is up to you.

Other tournament formats have come and gone over the years but the Orleans still does a good job of packing them in the big ballroom, quite the atmosphere for a 3-day vacation, wall to wall monitors, handicappers, cashiers lines, free food and drink, what's not to like, I recommend it highly.

Think about other ways to spend $500 on vacation......what does one really do with pictures of Mt. Rushmore or the Grand Canyon, how long do the scents of smelley olde churches last or how sunburned can you get laying on the beach?
It is a long trip for me, but I still manage 3 or 4 trips a year. I have never done the Orleans contest. I did a couple at GVR and one at Red Rock. My problem was the lack of a realistic cap on win wagers. I always have thought 30-1 was too high, so I voted with my feet. But they are a lot of fun, and you can't beat 2 or 3 solid days of horse players and handicapping.
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:17 pm

ElPrado2 wrote:I could very likely be delivered by truck if someone puts up the entry fee. However, sharing the sleeping cab with the driver may be iffy.
Can't help you with the truck, but I think a few of the ones for the NHC (where if you qualify they pay you to go) are free. There are some online, but I can't recall if they're free.
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:08 pm

Somnambulist wrote:Can't help you with the truck, but I think a few of the ones for the NHC (where if you qualify they pay you to go) are free. There are some online, but I can't recall if they're free.
There's very few free ones. There was one last Saturday, with the top five finishers getting a free berth to the National shindig in January. Mostly there are feeder contests that you have to pay to get in, with the price going up the later in the year it is. I haven't looked lately, but it's probably around $200 to 250 for the feeders right now.
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:13 pm

I was told by two people who qualified for it last year (one is this year) that were a decent amount of free ones, or at least ones cheap enough that I could afford it (so then everyone could). How they qualify the first one I don't know. That was earlier in the year, though, so I don't really know if they'd been and gone. Pretty sure one of them got into the NHC with an entry for $50 last year.

I know myself too well and would try to hard to find value instead of picking a realistic winner. I'm better over an entire card.

edit to say: Only trying to insinuate it is do-able if you're really interested. And that for the NHC ones, I'm fairly sure odds at capped at 20-1 so the competition isn't too skewed.
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:53 pm

I could probably con a truck driver into the ride.
Do not tempt me! I would have the driver talked into the entry fee by the time he got me there. :lol: Vegas would not know what hit it, and I have several pro gambler types hanging out there that I know fairly well. One gin card player has been racking up money there for 10 years. I ran pool rooms. I know all of them.
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Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:57 pm

Somnambulist wrote:I was told by two people who qualified for it last year (one is this year) that were a decent amount of free ones, or at least ones cheap enough that I could afford it (so then everyone could). How they qualify the first one I don't know. That was earlier in the year, though, so I don't really know if they'd been and gone. Pretty sure one of them got into the NHC with an entry for $50 last year.
I think there are some contests where you pay to participate in day 1 and if you finish in the top ?? that gets you a free entry into the second day which then offers a very few free berths to the top ranked folks. Or something similar to that.
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Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:32 am

Little Watermelon wrote:You're asking in this forum? :lol:
Sure, pretty horses win races too!

Just kidding, but that's really my point that anybody with any level of involvement can enjoy and possibly win money at one of these things. Will the number crunchers from PaceAdv be there, for sure, but so will a contingent from the "clever names" thread as well as guys who read the toteboard with a morning scratch sheet in hand, etc, etc, everybody's got a system and some here at TC know waaaay more about breeding, early 2YO winners, switches to grass etc that don't show up in the PPs that the hardcore player has memorized.

As for the $500 entry fee......just think about the various ways you've spent vacation money the past several years, I promise you this will be a lifetime memory of fun, heartbreak, thrills and some cash.

Perhaps the very best thing about the Orleans contest that didn't get mentioned but is a popular topic at racetracks across America......NO TAKEOUT, ZERO, NADA, 100% return to the players. Never quite figured this out, guess the house makes their profit elsewhere, but if 500 players show up and pay $500 to enter, that's $250,000 in the prize fund. And the house even goes one better by giving away free entries to future contests that cost as much as $1,000 to enter.

Thursday, Friday, Saturday, just play along at home.....12 $100 win bets each day. You'll need about $5,000 to collect a daily prize and about $10,000 to collect a grand prize at the end. And if you happen to pick one of the aforementioned bombers......you get full track odds for the first $20, then capped at 20-1 for the remaining $80 wager. ANd here's another best part.....you get to pick the track, east coast, west coast, Hawthorne or Keeneland, all the major places are playable. If you just want to bet grass races you can do that, or just stakes races you can do that too, many other tournaments have "mandatory" races that everybody has to play, usually clusterfests, don't care for that format.

Good luck, have fun, what's the worst thing that can happen by making mind bets?
I've found it easier to tear up tickets at 8/1 instead of 8/5.
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Wed Oct 09, 2013 10:46 am

stark wrote:
Little Watermelon wrote:You're asking in this forum? :lol:
Sure, pretty horses win races too!

Just kidding, but that's really my point that anybody with any level of involvement can enjoy and possibly win money at one of these things. Will the number crunchers from PaceAdv be there, for sure, but so will a contingent from the "clever names" thread as well as guys who read the toteboard with a morning scratch sheet in hand, etc, etc, everybody's got a system and some here at TC know waaaay more about breeding, early 2YO winners, switches to grass etc that don't show up in the PPs that the hardcore player has memorized.

As for the $500 entry fee......just think about the various ways you've spent vacation money the past several years, I promise you this will be a lifetime memory of fun, heartbreak, thrills and some cash.

Perhaps the very best thing about the Orleans contest that didn't get mentioned but is a popular topic at racetracks across America......NO TAKEOUT, ZERO, NADA, 100% return to the players. Never quite figured this out, guess the house makes their profit elsewhere, but if 500 players show up and pay $500 to enter, that's $250,000 in the prize fund. And the house even goes one better by giving away free entries to future contests that cost as much as $1,000 to enter.

Thursday, Friday, Saturday, just play along at home.....12 $100 win bets each day. You'll need about $5,000 to collect a daily prize and about $10,000 to collect a grand prize at the end. And if you happen to pick one of the aforementioned bombers......you get full track odds for the first $20, then capped at 20-1 for the remaining $80 wager. ANd here's another best part.....you get to pick the track, east coast, west coast, Hawthorne or Keeneland, all the major places are playable. If you just want to bet grass races you can do that, or just stakes races you can do that too, many other tournaments have "mandatory" races that everybody has to play, usually clusterfests, don't care for that format.

Good luck, have fun, what's the worst thing that can happen by making mind bets?
Well said. The Orleans contests are great. I played in the HPWS a few years ago and had a great time. Different atmosphere from the NHC, though I have not been to one that was played in the ballroom setting rather than the racebook.

Qualifying for the NHC is made easier with the large number of tournaments on horseplayersqualify.com, horsetourneys.com, derbywars.com and nhcqualify.com. It certainly reduces the cost and affords you many opportunities. The days of the majority of qualifiers coming from brick and mortar sites are done.
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