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Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:53 pm

luvsgeldings wrote:he always seems to get off slowly - and yes, he is always running wide on the home turn - he is little, but he is trying. I thought they should have kept him on the turf - but he ran well on the dirt today - so maybe next time.
who knows, maybe the turf was a wake up call? i'm ready for him to scratch that M off his race record and i really think he can/will.
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:50 pm

Starine wrote:I think his problem is that he's slow.
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:54 pm

we're all aware he's slow. plenty of slow horses break their maidens. sorry we're trying to guess what it would take for this slow horse to slowly break his maiden, outside of a class drop, which they won't do.
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Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:48 pm

sweettalk wrote:we're all aware he's slow. plenty of slow horses break their maidens. sorry we're trying to guess what it would take for this slow horse to slowly break his maiden, outside of a class drop, which they won't do.
Never has so much been made out of so little. Careful what you wish for, his maiden may be his best friend.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:56 am

He needs to be trained and ridden to get out of the gate running. He's not Zenyatta, he can't give the field ten lengths. But he isn't hopeless.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:33 am

why would we want him to stay a maiden?
(i really like you curtis, so i hope you know i don't mean this to pick a fight.)
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:37 am

I feel like if this horse had a different trainer we'd see much different results. Sorry not sorry.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:12 am

Is there a replay somewhere?
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:35 am

BornToWin wrote:Is there a replay somewhere?
Calracing.com has all CA replays for free the day after the race. Some, but not always all, can also be found on Bloodhorse sometime after as well:

https://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing ... -on-8-2-17

By coincidence they had Zenyatta's 2009 Clement Hirsch replay on TVG Classics last night, I had never seen her pre-race antics for that race in particular before - she was definitely in 'beast mode' (quite a comparison in size and attitude to her youngest son), for those who never saw her in person up close and don't get what all the fuss about her was, it would be a good watch if on again - it's the closest thing I've seen on video in capturing what it felt like to see/meet her in person.
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sweettalk wrote:why would we want him to stay a maiden?
(i really like you curtis, so i hope you know i don't mean this to pick a fight.)
I think with horses it's good to look at the big picture and that picture should be drawn with something easily removable. I like vine charcoal, myself. Now I don't know what the Mosses are thinking but here's what I see. Once Ziconic breaks his maiden, he'll have to go into AOC races which right now will have one or two late developing 3yo with a future of some sort and a small field size. This will probably result in a tepid pace and a non-competitive 4th for our subject. If he stays a maiden awhile, he'll be more competitive and if he can break that maiden late in the year, those AOC races may not be as tough. Now again, I don't know what the plan is for Ziconic. Maybe the Mosses just want him to get a win, try a couple of AOC's and then assess. If he can't hang at that level, he'd make a fine Polo horse stallion--and I mean that sincerely. My daughter plays at Montana State University, her coach is a nationally ranked player. Worse things could happen.

As for yesterday, I thought he ran fine and he was betable, instead, I took my daughter to see Dunkirk, boy was I disappointed. I expected to see a documentary about that gray Pletcher horse and all I saw was a yacht being bombed and shot at, but I digress. As for Ziconic, I don't think Ward, Baffert or Paul Jones training him would make an appreciable difference at the point. He looked like he broke alright and then dropped back as I expected he would. I think a mile is good for him because to get position, the horses in front of him have to gun a bit out of the gate and the pace is faster and he needs a fast pace. As for his stature and stride, it is what it is. As for going wide, it's the price of his doing business. Against the class of horse he'll be pitched against, I don't ever see him crafting a stalking trip and if they force him into that he probably won't finish.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:43 pm

BornToWin wrote:Is there a replay somewhere?
Del Mar has an app. You can view the replays soon after the race.
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Thu Aug 03, 2017 12:58 pm

thanks firehorse, for the tip on the tvg classic zenyatta Hirsch show - I have missed it - will be on the lookout for it now for sure - she was so much fun to watch - it will bring back memories - I still miss seeing her run... and putting on her prerace show!
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Curtis wrote:I took my daughter to see Dunkirk, boy was I disappointed. I expected to see a documentary about that gray Pletcher horse and all I saw was a yacht being bombed and shot at
:lol: :lol:

for all the things that post said (that definitely made a lot of sense), this is the part i'm walking away with.
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This coming Friday, a mile on the turf could be graduation day!

1 Combat Zone D. Van Dyke 123 Lbs J. Sadler L
2 Street to Indy T. Baze 123 Lbs T. Bell, II L
3 Cascade Rock (IRE) C. Nakatani 123 Lbs N. Drysdale L
4 Gosilently R. Bejarano 123 Lbs R. Falcone, Jr. L
5 Frankincense M. Smith 123 Lbs R. Mandella L
6 Papa Jazz S. Elliott 123 Lbs R. Baltas L
7 Ziconic V. Espinoza 123 Lbs J. Shirreffs
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Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:48 pm

Unfortunately, once again, the circumstance lead to no pomp.
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Had a conversation with John Shirreffs this morning. Ziconic is turned out for some time off. He also told me he'll be getting the 2017 Zenyatta filly by Medaglia d'Oro. Been a tough run for Zenyatta, especially after she lost her Into Mischief foal this season.

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Shirreffs on Ziconic's future, specifically:
“If he comes back and still wants to be a racehorse, we’ll think about another year and hopefully send him out a winner."

https://twitter.com/BH_JBalan/status/10 ... 8073329664
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Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:46 pm

Oh yuck, why send her to him? He hasn't had a smashing record with the first two.

If she were mine I would send her to Steve Asmussen.
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Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:53 pm

I understand loyalty, and I do like Shireffs don't get me wrong but at this point I'm wondering if a different trainer with a different approach wouldn't be better for Ziconic, nevermind the Medaglia d'Oro, I was hoping they'd try someone else. Someone who isn't going to try and train her like her mother, but rather utilise whatever natural talents she has.
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Fri Jun 01, 2018 4:19 pm

He needs to be retired and be retrained like Coz.
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Sat Jun 02, 2018 8:16 pm

I really don’t think either of them are/were talented, not Shirreffs fault.
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