NAGLE: AN OPEN LETTER TO TAMPA BAY DOWNS

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Kelly Kip
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:22 pm

GREAT article by Ray, as usual.

by Ray Paulick

When I visited Tampa Bay Downs last March, owners and trainers I spoke with were up in arms over the lack of action by track management against trainer Jane Cibelli, whose veterinarian, Dr. Orlando Paraliticci, was caught illegally injecting a pain blocking agent into the right front leg of one of Cibelli’s horses on the morning it was to race. Paraliticci was banned from Tampa Bay one week after the incident and subsequently suspended 90 days by the Florida Division of Pari-Mutuel Wagering, the state’s regulatory agency. To date, no action has been taken by the state or Tampa Bay Downs against Cibelli, who has both a personal and business relationship with track vice president of marketing and publicity, Margo Flynn.

Sentiment then among horsemen and women we spoke with was that Tampa Bay Downs management was sweeping the incident under the rug because of Cibelli’s relationship with Flynn. It is an allegation vice president and general manager Peter Berube vehemently denies.



Shortly after the January incident occurred, Reid Nagle, a Thoroughbred owner and trainer who was founder and CEO of the financial information company SNL Financial, wrote a letter to Tampa Bay Downs owner Stella Thayer, urging her to handle the matter appropriately and take further steps to crack down on perceived cheating that has allowed certain trainers to win races at uncommonly high percentages.
Eight months later, Nagle has written the following open letter to Thayer and Berube, explaining why he has opted not to return to Tampa Bay Downs and is urging others to do the same

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s ... bay-downs/
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:51 pm

Good for Mr. Nagle. I wonder if his efforts are like spitting into the wind. What a shame if it is.
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Fri Sep 20, 2013 8:09 pm

It's interesting that some of the comments imply that they are coming people who used to have horses with Cibelli.
Kelly Kip
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Sat Sep 21, 2013 8:49 am

I know of one person who has a horse with Cibelli NOW. :roll:

Don't know why Monmouth lets her have stalls, much less enter horses.
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Sat Sep 21, 2013 9:55 am

Kelly Kip wrote:I know of one person who has a horse with Cibelli NOW. :roll:

Don't know why Monmouth lets her have stalls, much less enter horses.

She's got entries today and tomorrow at Gulfstream, Park, Monmouth, and Delaware Park

http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Result ... T&eID=3564
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Sat Sep 21, 2013 10:26 am

All owners just want to win races. Some of them just don't care how!
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Kelly Kip
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Sat Sep 21, 2013 3:44 pm

Raven wrote:All owners just want to win races. Some of them just don't care how!

And some of them are newbie know-it-alls who haven't got a CLUE about ethical trainers.
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Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:18 pm

You have to wonder if a few people didn't make such a stink, if anything at all would have happened......
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Sat Sep 28, 2013 12:12 am

IMO, Tampa Bay Downs is one of the tracks that has just really been swarmed with trainers that defy statistical normalcy. The percentages - specifically the 'off-the-claim' rates that some of these trainers have is astounding and the turnarounds in form are the type that you'd never anticipate if the trainer's name weren't Ness, Cibelli or Navarro. At that point, it's not handicapping...it's just picking which statistic is highest. Not saying that anyone is doing anything 'wrong' - I have no first-hand proof of that - however if you put the following 2012/13 records in front of me, it doesn't quite feel comfortable -

Jorge Navarro (33-for-93) - 35% / 67%
Jason DaCosta (20-for-58) - 34% / 64%
Jamie Ness (46-for-137) - 34% / 64%
Jane Cibelli (21-for-89) - 24% / 59%

Heck, Todd Pletcher horses don't even run that well at Belmont, Baffert horses don't do that well at Santa Anita and Steve Asmussen horses don't do that well at Churchill Downs. Yet a handful of trainers are all putting up astronomical numbers at one meet? Plus, that's not even including Gerald Bennett (31-for-194; 16%, 45%), Kathleen O'Connell (32-for-183; 17%, 45%) and some others.

Just not a track for me to play.
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Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:55 pm

The consequences for infractions in this industry are so pathetic...

http://www.paulickreport.com/news/ray-s ... ke-a-deal/
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